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#3260 - 03/31/08 07:15 AM
MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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Registered: 03/23/08
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i have used mms for one week. i didn t notice any herx rxn as yesterday.i tried to increase mms dose yesterday . i took 30 drops a day mms.i decided to take 45 drops mms/day. i noticed herx reaction after take 23 drops mms . my fatigue, depression and anxiety is increased after 23 drops mms .
i used many treatments for lyme so far. antibiotic(one years), samento didn t make herx reaction
this condition is encouraged to me. i hope, it will help me. ahmet
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#3284 - 04/09/08 11:31 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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MMS herx has been very bad and horrific for me.my anxiety was unbearable.
i can t recommend to raise MMS dose so rapidly. MMS is very effective and strong stuff
Edited by ahmet (05/02/08 06:15 AM)
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#3310 - 04/14/08 11:56 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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Registered: 03/23/08
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my herx subsided after 10 days. i had discontinued MMS 12 days ago.
i have began to use MMS two days ago with one drop.i have raised 8 drops today and my anxiety and depression slightly increased. (i apologise for my english)
i think i continue 8 drop a day until subside my anx and depression and then i will increase slowly MMS dose
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#3312 - 04/14/08 01:29 PM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
[Re: ahmet]
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Rich_skiweasel7
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Registered: 12/29/06
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Thank you for keeping us updated (and thanks to Steve too). I'm keeping an eye on MMS. It does sound promising, but also maybe too powerful. Hopefully your herx was not horrific the whole 10 days.
Thanks again and keep us posted,
Rich (skiweasel7)
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#3322 - 04/15/08 05:22 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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Registered: 03/23/08
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thank you Rich
i will keep on updated . yes it does sound promising . antibiotic(rochepin 8 month 2 gram day, doxy, ketek, roxytromicin
samento, resveratrol, andrographus, sarsapirilla didn t show any benefit to me and these drugs didn t make really herx)
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#3326 - 04/15/08 03:50 PM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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Rich_skiweasel7
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Did you try NutraMedix's Samento (liquid extract)? I do well on that (with herxes). I don't think the pill form of Samento works too well. I ask out of curiosity and not I’m implying you try it again (or not try it again). I would stick to what is working (in your case, the MMS).
Take care and thanks,
Rich (skiweasel7)
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#3329 - 04/16/08 04:26 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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14 month ago I started to samento.(nutramedix liquid extract) I started with low dose then increased slowly. While 11 month I was using 30 drops, in the last month I have increased it to 50 drops. And I have been using andrographus, resveratrol ve sarsaparilla that are in the book healing lyme. I was using the last three herbs with 2x4 tbl dose and I increased it to 3x4 dose for a month. But I don’t think I have had important effects of samento and the other herbal medicine I am using with. While in july 2007 my natural killer cell(CD57) level was 254, january 2008 it has decreased to 84. In july wbc was 6100 but january 3900. So the protocol in the book healing lyme did not work on me. i discontinued samento before use MMS. (perhaps little effect).
take care. ahmet
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#3332 - 04/16/08 11:26 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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Rich_skiweasel7
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Hi Ahmet,
I switch up between Samento, Cumanda, Quina, and Banderol (Cowden protocol herbs). I know the early Samento studies went out only six months after treatment with no follow up. I wonder if long term use fails over time. I also currently take (on rotation with others) andrographus for immune support and Resveratrol to help with the brain (there are positive studies with Alzheimer’s).
I read “Healing Lyme” too. My wife has it, and I just read it a few weeks ago. Most of it was old news. I also think it is good to have a rotation with many of these herbs. In any case, sounds like MMS is the ticket.
And...Wow, 254 CD57 score! I figure minumin maintainance would be needed after getting above 200. And to have it drop to 84. That is crazy!!! It's scary to know that our immune system can not take over on it's own even after reaching a 200 score on the CD57.
Thanks and take care,
Rich (skiweasel7)
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#3336 - 04/17/08 11:13 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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Registered: 03/23/08
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Hi Rich
i hope these protocols could help you. someone says that CD57 isn t important marker for chronic lyme and somebody is remission with low CD57 or somebody sick with high CD57
regards. ahmet
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#3404 - 04/28/08 07:21 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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i had discontinued MMS because of second intense herx i used it second time between 12 april-23 april.i could be increased it maximum 20 drops day. my herx slowly subsided. i think that my attention and memory 20-30 percent are improved.( my worst complaint is in order of my brain fog ,depression ,anxiety,fatigue)
i am taking chlorella(3x3 gram) and resveretrol(2x2 capsul) for neurotoxins with it
i will start it in a few days again. ahmet
(i apologise for my english)
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#3424 - 05/02/08 06:28 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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i have began to use MMS 3 days ago. i am only using 6 drops two times a day( total 12 drops ). this dosage very effective for me.it needless to use high dose MMS because of the intense herx reaction. my herx began second day but herx severity was decreased according to previous herx.ahmet
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#3428 - 05/03/08 08:22 PM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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Steve
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Its a roller coaster ride. Sometimes I think I'm getting somewhere using MMS and Rife. Then Bag, I'm back to feeling pretty sick again., when I stop using MMS for a few days, I seem to get sicker....? I had all my amalgam mercury fillings removed. I have "A. Hall Cutlers Book", " Amalgam Illness". In reading Cutlers Book, I see mercury poisoning has almost all the same identical symptoms that Lyme disease has..MMS is suppose to remove heavy metals like mercury from the body...? And kill or oxidize the Lyme bacteria....? Well, one of us or some of us should start to at some point, start to feel a-lot better....? And I can say "Yes" I am a-little better...? But most the time I'm really pretty sick. I don't really know if its all Lyme or maybe also Mercury poisoning...I'm going to try some other detoxing with some other stuff for detoxing mercury poisoning. If I think I'm starting to feel better after detoxing, I'll be posting any new results....Steve
Edited by Steve (05/04/08 03:33 PM)
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#3430 - 05/03/08 10:36 PM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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BryanRosner
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The roller coaster ride is normal. I am skeptical that MMS can take a person all the way. I think it falls into the same category as any other antibiotic, herbal, etc...works for a while, but should not be used continuosly. Of course, just my opinion.
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#3471 - 05/13/08 03:21 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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Registered: 03/23/08
Posts: 36
Loc: turkey
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Steve, your situation is really complicated. I am sorry about your feeling sick most of the time. But you were really hopefull about MMS in your previous comments, you were writing the improvement that MMS done on you and you encouraged us. Can not the stuff you used for mercury poisoning help you? I have been using MMS intermittently. ( I take a break when herx gets really worse.) There is an improvement of 30% of brain fog. But I think, I will get my absolute idea about MMS after 4 months’ use. I also do not think MMS is effective for everyone. For some antibiotic, for others rife machine, and for the rest herbal stuff is effective. But there are really one on whom MMS is effective. I think I am in that group who heals with MMS. Bryan Rossner may be right. But there is not any case yet who has used MMS for long term and benefits from it and then this effect vanishes. ( as it has just been used for the treatment of Lyme.)
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#3508 - 05/22/08 02:12 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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Loc: turkey
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I have been using MMS for 59 days. (ın this period I have gave 3 breaks to let herx pass off – so total 20 days) In the first 2 uses herx was really intensive. This occurred because of taking in high dose and the big amount of bacteria within the body. Mostly fatigue bothers me. I do not have anymore the psychiatric symptoms intensified in the herx period (depression and anxiety) and this is a really good process for me. Moreover I have been using MSM with MMS. Before each MMS dose I take 2 grams of MSM. It is told that MSM increases the access of MMS into the cell and it is more effective agains borrelia in the cell. I am thinking of using MMS continuously as the intensity of herx has decreased. ahmet
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#3511 - 05/22/08 08:02 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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Steve
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Hi ahmet, I have had similar results with MMS, and other unorthodox treatmemt protocols, like RIFE, and DETOXING, etc. Its good to see we're progressing here, slowly but surely. I'll look into the MSM too. I have two or three symptoms that I'm trying to put a stop to at this time. So when they come to an end. That is a ringing in the ears and a pressure in the head and somewhat of a drunken hang over feeling. (I don't drink alcohol), and of course insomnia. But most all other symptoms are gone, these others symptoms were almost debilitating and are almost all gone.. I can say sense I started the MMS protocol I'm 75% better. and also now along with MMS I'm doing a pretty aggressive mercury poisoning detox. As I said in an earlier post in another post at this web/site, " This is going to take some more time, Maybe a year or two." But as of right now, almost all of the most debilitating symptoms are gone. And thats very good.......Steve
Edited by Steve (05/22/08 08:03 AM)
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#3518 - 05/23/08 04:28 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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Registered: 03/23/08
Posts: 36
Loc: turkey
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Steve, it is really nice to have good news from you. I believe that the symptoms will slowly disappear. Ringing in my ears increases discomfortably when the herx is really intensive. Normally I have some ringing in my ears but I do not sense it. I have pressure feeling in my forehead and orbicularis (around my eyes). 2x6 drops is the ideal dose. With this dose herx is tolerable. Sometimes I increase the dose to 2x10 drops but this time herx becomes really irritable so then I decrease the dose to 2x6 drops. We should wait patiently to let the days pass. I believe this nice improvements will just carry on. regards. ahmet
Edited by ahmet (05/23/08 04:30 AM)
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#3579 - 06/07/08 04:49 AM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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ahmet
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Registered: 03/23/08
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Loc: turkey
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it has been 77 days with begin to use mms. i can say that i am better %40 according to 79 days ago
my worst symptoms these days are fatigue and more sleep( 10 hours day)
my brain fog(my worst compliant) has lifted about %40 and my fibromyalgic pain is substantially decreased . i have begun to read to book and i can understand (this is so important for me)
i believe i will get better pretty much after three months.
by the way i bought to Dr Singleton lyme solution book . i can say that this book has very good informations about lyme disease. regards
Edited by ahmet (06/07/08 05:07 AM)
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#3606 - 06/11/08 10:47 PM
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mtguy
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Registered: 06/11/08
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A couple of things. Don't stay in the Herx (sounds like a blues song title) it's not good as it indicates an increase in the toxic burden. I found easing in and out of it to work the best. also increasing saunas and glutathione helped get over the herx. I am well now after basically doing the Buhner plan. I began using the products and techniques on the http://www.lymeaid.net site once I found it. A heck of a lot easier to get my formulas from one bottle rather than 4-6 bottles. Hope this helps. I am going to look into that mms stuff, sounds interesting.
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#3608 - 06/11/08 11:53 PM
Re: MMS may be effective in chronic lyme
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BryanRosner
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MT guy, are the formulas on lymeaid.net comprised of Buhner herbs, or are they other?
Also, which glutathione did you use -- the stuff from lymeaid.net?
Edited by BryanRosner (06/11/08 11:54 PM)
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