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#4500 - 07/01/09 04:54 PM
I am new here with MULTIPLE diagnosis. Need some friends
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cwatts1968
New Researcher
Registered: 07/01/09
Posts: 1
Loc: Texas
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Yes, I am in a world of people who have NO idea what to do with me. Yep, same ol' story same ol' song. I sit here at night unable to sleep until I can no longer stay awake and crash. I have gotten SO frustrated with conflicting opinions. I tell them that I have chronic lyme, but I also have seizure disorder, lupus, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue and celiac disease. People say, "No, you just have lyme disease." I have a LLMD and she says that the lyme made it easier for the others to follow. I now know that my seizures are most likely caused by the lyme and that made sense due to the fact that for years all my doctors could not find a reason for them. I was diagnosed with lyme in 1999 by a "country" doctor. After years of having doctors become puzzled about what to do with me (including the Mayo Clinic), here was a small town doctor who figured it out. He caught it with one small detail - I got poison ivy, it wouldn't go away, he gave me cortisone, it got worse. He did the basic lyme titer - you know the one that you don't usually show up on and I was at the top end! I feel alone, and tired and now my feet get numb and stay that way for days. With all of the other illnesses I am not able to be treated with some things that help others. Of course cortizone shots are out of the question. Most antibiotics make me ill or knock out my seizure pills and my muscle relaxers. I can't do detox or it will knock out my seizure medicine. It goes on and on. My doctor is getting down to the part where she is getting frustrated. God have mercy on her poor soul!
I am sorry that I ramble - I am just, just.... I don't know...
Please respond...
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#4503 - 07/06/09 10:02 PM
Re: I am new here with MULTIPLE diagnosis. Need some friends
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Pipsywiggins
New Researcher
Registered: 07/21/07
Posts: 4
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I don't usually respond,I barely get around to reading. If I do respond, I then crash for days and by the time I get back here, my post is four or five pages back and I get lost.
But you really touched me as I am sitting here too at four a.m.
Your story could have been mine, so many similarities, like the seizures,etc. They didn't call them seizures technically, the doctors just suggest little buzz words. The electrical waves going off in my head were driving me crazy. They didn't last long, but I had hundreds per day. The zithromax started the calming of them initially, but the HBOT seems to be what put them finally to rest as they are very rare now. I did a year of hyperbaric oxygen 3x a week in 2007. But like Bryan says in his book I too came upon the crossroads where it was consuming so much of my time to the point that I couldn't see any other doctors. I plateaud. Unfortunately I didn't taper off the HBOT treatments. The techs at the facility really were useless as I had to figure out my own protocol. When I stopped the HBOT, the following 30 days I lost 40% of my eyesight. I've seen retinologist, all kinds of specialists, etc. and they can't find any reason for the vision loss. I suspect that when there was no resistence, the bugs flooded back into the neuro area after the HBOT had previously driven them out. They probably have covered the vision area and possibly I will regain my sight if I can drive them out of my brain again. The reason for my suspicion is because I am also dx with CENTRAL sleep apnea. Severe case, I stop breathing over 1200 times per night. CPAP doesn't work, I am on an oxygen concentrator pretty much all the time because I cannot control falling asleep. I fall asleep on the toilet if I am there longer than 30 seconds. That is my sleep onset time, a half a minute and whaam...it is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I am also in Tex. , San Antonio to be exact. I am completely isolated at home. I have no support and I depend upon people to care for me that really don't believe I'm all that sick. I was so sure that getting the dx was going to put an end to the controversy, but no...it has instead flourished, making my medical care look fragmented and random. The last three years I have only been able to secure one new doctor. I've seen new docs about once a month, but they have the nerve to let me show up for the appointment so that they can tell me face to face that they are not going to accept me as a patient. I have 4 separate dx besides the sleep disorder. My endocrine system has completely failed. It was gradual but without the medical support, it eventually caved in. I am unable to produce gamma globulin. I have not had a normal IgG in ten years. I have been on monthly infusion for four years, but next month, the doctor has notified me that he is dropping me. No reason. It is impossible for me to attain adequate health care with the inefficiency I have been subjected to. They all send me on wild goose chases with all kinds of senseless testing. My sleep apnea is lesions on the brainstem, yet every neurologist wants another MRI as if to look for a tumor AGAIN. Friday I go in for my third all day Growth Hormone Stim test. I failed it twice before, but still was not able to get treated. I am anemic but my GP scratches his head and has an ignorant look on his face last week when I asked when he was going to do something about it?
I have spent the last year studying RIFE machines. I had the money saved up, but during my last down period, my husband stole my savings without explanation.My circumstance is sad to say the least. It is sad in the fact that It Did not Have to Be This Way. Upon becoming ill, I immediately proceeded to making my world smaller and dig in to adapt and persevere. I had not counted on the abuse. I got an MRSA from the port in my chest when I had IV antibiotics. He was in charge of cleaning it. I herxed and I went into a deep sleep and he figured he could skip some days. Then he just let me lie there and slip into a coma. It was a miracle that I made it to the hospital in time. My miracle was (My grown son)He gets married next month so I am seeing less and less of him, but that is to be expected. The rest of my family is aware of how I am treated but say nothing. In fact, whenever my older son had his two children, he quarantined me both times, blocking me from seeing them for three months.I didn't feel like a lymie. I felt like a leper.
I keep pushing, trying, but some days the surviving is all I can manage.Actually I'm glad I don't have any friends because I could not handle the activity.
Okay, now that I've gotten that off my chest, I think I feel better.  How do you feel? I am a ten year survivor but I am required to be my only advocate. And I am the one who is sick.No, there is no walk-a thons for us. I was even refused to be representative of answered prayer.
I promise next time I will be more cheerful...
Peggy
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#4520 - 07/10/09 12:43 PM
Re: I am new here with MULTIPLE diagnosis. Need some friends
[Re: Pipsywiggins]
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JTD
New Researcher
Registered: 07/10/09
Posts: 4
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Dear Friend, Oh, how I understand how you feel. I have been so sick the last few weeks that I wonder if it is the end for me. I am typing with tears in my eyes, dizzy, pain etc. with four children asking me what is for supper. my wife works nights and she went to work sick with worry about me and how we are going to make it financially with me missing so much work. thankfully I work at a health food store, so i have access to what i need at a discount. but, like you, i feel so alone and the only people who have compassion and understanding are the poor souls that have it too. 20 + years of fighting it and I have to say that i am getting tired. i am pretty sure that if i didn't have kids, i would have given up way before now. i want to beat this and have a normal life, but i just don't know if it is possible. i just started mangosteen, d-lenolate olive leaf and toa free cat's claw last week. maybe i am just herxing right now, but I feel like i am dying.... it is just hard walking through this alone and also worried that i have passed it to everyone in my family. my wife is affraid of us loosing everything we own if she was to get sick with it too. she is the bread winner of our family, being a RN. she is great and tries to understand, but you just can't until you have been through it, so I am glad that she doesn't understand because I don't want her to experience this state of hell called lyme disease.... anyway... you are not alone. Lets all pray to God that He will give us healing... John
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#4521 - 07/10/09 02:11 PM
Re: I am new here with MULTIPLE diagnosis. Need some friends
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Raspberry
New Researcher
Registered: 07/01/09
Posts: 2
Loc: Eastern Washington
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Hi John and Peggy, I totally feel where you are coming from. I've been sick for about 6 yrs. Been treating with Bryan rosner's methods for the past 1.5yrs faithfully no breaks and a gb4000 using gating with all codes and sweeps and switching back and forth from audio mode and rf modes to cause heavy herxing. I met my boyfriend 3 years ago when I was just beginning treatment via hyperbaric oxygen, thankfully it made me more functional enough to fake being well and we fell head over heels in love. Sadly, after all that time together, I'm still not 100%, but probably 70%, still herx a lot each week but I can go out and do things and drive ( I used to be pretty bed ridden and unable to drive myself places). I read that abuse can happen in relationships with lyme but I never thought it could be us! He became more frustrated with my slow progress, that I wasn't yet 100% and back to normal and didn't want to have to take care of me "for the rest of my life". Started drinking more out of frustration and not being able to do anything or understand what I'm going through.. anger would come out when he drank and nasty mean words. Then at the worst time, I hit the bartonella/lyme rages herx period, where my rife therapy would cause me to be super-duper supersensitive to words, criticism, etc. And would yell and fly off the handle and feel so resentful that he wasn't more kind about my predicament even though he wasn't fully supporting me most of the time! Sigh.
So not only was I rigorously trying to heal and get well, taking tons of supplements, sauna, rife, detox, mangosteen, salt/c and herxing regularly (even though it's hard to keep bearing sometime), I also had to worry about his now significant drinking problem due to his stress and general unhappiness. Got to the point where one night he drank so much on the 4th of july and forgot to not drink so I could get home and take my medicine that I take each night, we got into a heated argument, was threatened and ended up really fearing for my safety.
It's easy to feel fearful of being able to protect and defend yourself when you're disabled, don't have tons or strength or energy, and hurt often. I wish others understood us more. 
In the end we had to part ways, but thankfully I was able to sell my previous home to keep my supplement and medical support going since I don't have any insurance.
Relationships and lyme are so hard. Sometimes I understand that we lymies can be hard to keep loving year after year with all the roller-coaster herxes, emotional ups and downs, physical ups and downs, and not being able to work for so long.
The only person who totally loves me through this THANK GOD is my mother, but she has lyme too. Somedays I wish she had never gotten it, but at the same time I don't think I could have survived through this without her support and love to keep me fighting to win! I've come so incredibly incredibly far from where I was only 2-3 yrs ago when I couldn't even walk more than a few yards without fainting. But I want to be 100% myself again too, NOW. :P
Athy
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#4530 - 07/11/09 02:16 AM
Re: I am new here with MULTIPLE diagnosis. Need some friends
[Re: Raspberry]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
Posts: 113
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Steve here, read the post here on MMS & DMSO ....I've been all the same roads you are all on. Don't give up and don't in. Keep trying all the different treatments. Of course I can't suggest anyone treat over another. And I can't suggest any treatments at all, we all know why. But we're in this together for the long hall. This is not a natural disease straight out nature. Like aids and many other disease's, these are disease,s that have been genetically altered by man and governments. This is going to be very tough. But we can get well again. Hang in there and keep posting and reading these posts. And read and see post about and by Dr. Marshall
http://www.marshallprotocol.com
http://lymebook.com/marshallprotocol
http://www.lymebook.com/marshall-protocol
And check out Dichor info. below. ( I'm am not suggesting any treatment here, or telling anyone to treat or take dichor for any reason. I'm just posting some info. I found interesting here on the web about MMS and Dichor.)
Dichor:
This is some information from the discussion groups on taking sodium chlorite (MMS inactivated or Dichlor)) and regarding its specific selective action against acidic pathogens and the non-specific action of chloride dioxide (MMS activated).
Some material for thought!
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To back up my views on concentration of NaClO2, i have contacted US Department of Transport (DOT), and it is the same world wide.
United States Department of Transportation (DOT) regulations require that sodium chlorite solutions containing greater than 5% NaClO2 carry a corrosive label.
DOT make exemption for some chemicals in small quantaties, but only to 1oz and chlorite sollutions are not included in this exemption.
This means MMS should carry a danger red diamond, have a caution lable containing “Keep out of reach of children”,UN 1908, CORROSIVE 8, HAZCHEM 2X and PG11, none of which are on there. They were appaled to realise bottles containing 55 oz were being express posted as well as bulk orders of 4 oz bottles, in dozens (48 oz) and even bulk of 100 4oz (400 oz).
MMS can not be posted or express posted as it is by distributors, to quote DOT they are breaking the law. This can be verified at the web site below
http://www.dot.gov/contact.html
Come some one has to take notice of lableing issue and take resonability, as well as the OH&S and laws regarding transport.
I also still stand by notes on activation, who want’s to take that resposability. Activate with citric, lemon juice, vinigar, wash down with jiuce. The difference in activation of NaClO2 in just these procedures is from 20% release of free ClO2 to 75% release of free ClO2
I took 5 drops of MMS, 5 drops = 0.7 ml of 168,000 ppm available ClO2, (Dilluting my 50 % citric activator 5 times to make it 10%) and added 30 drops = 4ml. the sollution turned slightly yellow and I knew straight away I have released free clO2 in a quantity to large for my colorphotometor to read. (ClO2 to 100ppm of free Clo2 will not be seen to change color to the naked eye). But I did a reading anyway and it was of the scale, so well over 1000ppm which my tester does to.
And this is supposed to be taken @ 1 ppm of free Clo2.
Lamotte sell chlorine dioxide test strips, people can buy them and test what they are doing themselves.
Interesting to note similar products,
Oxydrops is 5% NaclO2
NACLO is 4% NaClO2.
neighther making claims of activation for their product with one even stating do not wash down with juices that are acidic.
But both claiming same healing properties with a safe nonhazchem product.
Bruce
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I would like to publicly post a=2 0copy of an email I sent in answer to a
query. for open discussion.
"Two miniutes"
Biosfae MMS (Microbial Management Source) is approved for what we
recomend,
is a safe non hazchem or dangerous goods product, made to the maximum
strength
Sodium Chlorite we can make and still keep it safe.
With an active ingrediant of: 30g L of Stabilized Chlorine Dioxide
present as Sodium Chlorite,
we have 30,000 ppm of available Chlorine Dioxide at our finger tips.
One of our opposition god bless their heart's,
unfortunatly supply a very dangrous strength that is hazchem and can
only be transported as dangerous goods
without warnings on their lables that must be ther by law.
I mention this as the chance of someone possibly dying is "very
high",
Why?
Chlorine dioxide is well established to be harmful to all forms of
life. Ranked in the USA as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst
10%) to ecosystems.
What effect might chlorine dioxide have on my health?
Acute health effects : The following acute (short-term) health effects
may occur immediately or shortly after exposure to chlorine dioxide:
irritate the nose and throat, causing coughing and chest pain; eye
irritation with watery eyes and seeing halos around lights; breathing
chlorine dioxide can irritate the lungs causing coughing and/or
shortness of breath. Higher exposures can cause a build-up of fluid in
the lungs (pulmonary oedema), a medical emergency but which might not
occu r for 24 hours, with severe shortness of breath and possibly
death.
Chronic health effects : The following chronic (long-term) health
effects can occur at some time after exposure to chlorine dioxide and
can last for months or years: irritate the lungs; repeated exposure
may cause bronchitis to develop with cough, phlegm, and/or shortness
of breath. Permanent lung damage may occur, especially with repeated
exposure to the vapours. There is limited evidence that chlorine
dioxide may damage the developing foetus.
The product I talk about, MMS rides on the back of a product called
Dioxychlor whose manufacturers did the original work (and even back in
world war 1 it was being developed) not Jim Humble, (although Jim has
some recent claims)
NOTES FROM DIOXYCHLOR
During World War I, this instability of chlorite ion was exploited by
Alexis Carrel
(1873-1944, Nobel laureate 1912), best known for his prolonged culture
of chicken heart cells at
Rockefeller University, New York. Carrel sucessfully administered a
crude solution topically
(similar to Dioxychlor(R)) to war casualties having embedded shell
fragments.(4) The anaerobic
organisms responsible for gas gangrene in these wounds were quickly
quenched, saving many
soldiers that would have otherwise perished.(5)
Absence of Dioxychlor(R) Activation
There are only a small number of basic biological substances found in
living organisms.
These include p roteins, lipids, carbohydrates and nucleic acids. The
ability of nucleic acids (in
the form of viruses) to activate Dioxychlor(R) has been discussed
previously. Lipids and
carbohydrates are both neutral substances, carrying neither an
electric charge nor acidic groups.
The possibility of proteins activating Dioxychlor(R) is discussed below.
Many proteins, particularly those that are soluble and found free in
both
Dioxychlor is mentioned highly by MMS people, but they note their
product is alot stronger. Dioxychlor 2.5% Naclo2, MMS is 11 times
stonger- Simply one is safe and one is not. Dioxychlor recomend
against activation as I do, because they understand the technology,
MMS mentioning of injection of activated product has the potential to
explode some ones heart.
Fact: Chlorine dioxide has 1/3 the explosion power of TNT.
Fact : 28% MMS is stronger in concentration than the Industrial
product used to disinfect town water supplies 25%.
Fact : A 4 oz bottle of 28% MMS will make 20,000 litres of sollution
at 1 ppm free Chlorine dioxide.
THESE ARE NOTES ON MMS AND THEY SCARE ME!!!!!!!!! They are wrong
and very dangerous, this is why there are so many blog's about nausia
and diahria.
OVERDOSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OVERINHALING
Notes: As long as you can see a slight yellowish or yellowish green
colour in the glass you know that it has not lost its20strength. It
should last up to 4 hours. MMS is actually more effective when taken
in this manner as the body is continuously supplied with fresh MMS as
you sip. The 1/2 glass maintains a fresh supply of dioxide particles as
old dioxide particles go off into the air or are dissipated in the
glass. When taken instantly, instead of sipping, the MMS becomes
diluted in the body, and the dioxide is generated much slower, thus it
is less effective than sipping.
BUT THESE ARE THE FACT"S
Chemical properties:
Chlorine dioxide gas is flammable, and is violently explosive in air
at concentrations over 10%. It can be ignited by almost any form of
energy, including sunlight, heat, or sparks. Chlorine dioxide is
strongly oxidising, and reacts violently with organic chemicals and
can be detonated by sunlight, heat, or contact with mercury or carbon
monoxide.
Physical properties:
Chlorine dioxide is a strongly oxidising, yellow to reddish-yellow gas
or liquid with a pungent, sharp odour. The odour is similar to that of
chlorine and nitric acid. Soluble in water, alkaline, and sulfuric
acid solutions. It is normally supplied as a less than 10% solution in
cold water.
Where in the environment does chlorine dioxide end up?
In the atmosphere it will photolyze rapidly, with a tropospheric half-
life of a few seconds. Because of its high reactivity, chlorine
dioxide will breakdown rapidly in natural waters (that is, waters that
contain moderat e amounts of organic matter). Nevertheless, this
substance is considered hazardous to the environment with special
attention required for water organisms.
The breakdown products are chloride ion and oxidised products of
organic matter.
SO, WE KNOW AMAZING BENIFITS THAN CAN BE ACHIEVED USING NACLO2, AND
CAN BE ACHIEVED SAFELY WITH THOUGHT OF THE HEALTH AND SAFTEY OF NOT
ONLY OUR CONSUMERS IN MIND, BUT THAT OF OUR DISTRIBUTORS, BECAUSE OUR
PRODUCT COMES WITH RECOMENDATIONS BASED ON TRUTH. AND THE TRUTH IS MMS
SUPPLIERS AND USERS HAVE BEEN MISLEAD. AND YES I GET IT ALL THE TIME
"BUG OF MATE IT WORKS FOR ME", THAT'S FINE BUT CLO2 TECHNOLOGY IS
BIOSAFE TECHNOLOGIES PASSION AND BELIEF, AND SALES OF THAT ONE
PERCURSER CHEMICAL (NACLO2) IS OUR ONLY BUSINESS AND HAS BEEN FOR 10
YEARS. BIOSAFE PRODUCT IS SUPPLIED TO ALL AREA'S OF INDUSTRY FROM
NURSERY'S TO FOOD PROCESSING. FROM MOUTHWASH/RINCE TOCONTACT LEANSE
CLEANER ETC ETC.
BIOSAFE TECHNOLOGIES FOR SOME TIME HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET THE
SUPPLIERS OF NACLO2 PRODUCTS FOR HEALTH BENIFIT'S TO BE CAREFULL,
OFFERING HELP ONLY TO BR LAUGHTED AT . " NOW I HAVE SHOT MY WAD AND
TRIED TO PUT FEAR INTO PEOPLE WITH MY SCARE RHETORIC" WAS ADAM
ABRAHAM'S NOTE TO ME.
LET'S SAVE LIVES SAFLEY, AND MMS DID NOT WAN'T TO LISTEN SO WE ARE
PROUD TO BE FORCED TO LAUNCH OUR OWN LABLE OF SAME PRODUCT BUT AT A
SAFE CONCENTRATION. AND TO ENSURE NACLO2'S FUTURE WITH A CEDIBLE
PRODUCT AND ADVICE.
BIOSAFE PRODUCTS THAT PRODUCE FREE CHLORINE DIOXIDE AND/OR CHLOUROS
ACID ARE TOTALY SAFE WHEN USED CORRECTLY.
MY 2 MIN IS NOW UP!!!!!!!!
I HAVE ATTACHED SOME DATA FOR YOU TO READ AS WELL THAT MIGHT SHED MORE
LIGHT ON MY POINT.
And personaly i appreciate your words on MMS, but also your open mind
to hear what I have to say, that speaks highly of your credibilty.
In the last few week's i have been contacted from all over the world
via blog's and email giving me support in relation to the strength of
MMS
and from people seeking to buy my product.
so let's get rich like jim and make alot of other's rich around us,
by combining what we know, ME! THAT'S CHLORINE DIOXIDE AND IT"S
RELEVENT TECHNOLOGIES, what about you??
Re Jim Humphries, 4 years ago he asked my company for a $10,000 grant
to furthe his naleria work. Like the Gates Foundation, we would not
fund a product without an FDA approval for the use it is to be tested
with.
didn't mention this before, but Jim is a brilliant inventor and
scientist. He invented the first automatic garage door open, worked on
the moon vehicle, the first intercontinental ballistic missile, and
wrote the manuals for the first vacuum tube computers. He is the man
you want if you need creative solutions! He knew that Stabilizing
Oxygen they brought to kill pathogens in water to making it okay to
drink, might cure malaria as20well. He was right! He gave them a
healthy dose of stabilized oxygen mixed with water and it actually
cured these men of malaria.
....But Stabilizing Oxygen is Not the Miracle Supplement
What Jim found was that stabilizing oxygen only cured 70% of the
people treated. Despite that, during his mining travels he ended up
treating hundreds of people in South America and he was quickly
becoming famous. He was so famous that two drug companies contacted
the Minister of Health and threatened to quit shipping drugs to the
local hospitals if she didn't do something about the person claiming
to be able to cure malaria.
The Gold Prospecting Was a Bust, But Jim Had a New Mission
Soon after this incident with the Minister of Health, Jim moved back
to the US. He was excited to begin testing why stabilizing oxygen only
worked part of the time. Before he went back to the US, he stopped in
Guyana. He caught malaria on purpose! Soon after that he went to a
hospital and got his blood tested, then he took his stabilized oxygen
cocktail waited until he felt better and had his blood tested again.
He had no trace of malaria in his system. He was the first patient to
have his blood tested before and after he took the stabilizing oxygen.
He believed he had found the cure for malaria.
Regards
Bruce Crighton
Biosafe Technologies
0404522006
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DIOXYCHLOR
Dioxychlor, one of a class of inorganic oxidants, has been found useful against the three major classes of infective agents: virus, bacteria and fungi. They have tremendous potential use in such refractory conditions as Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS). It is also extremely effective against an impressive array of viral, bacterial and fungal infections, including demonstrated inhibition of Candida albicans.
The use of Dioxychlor as a substance dates back to World War I, when it was used by the Western powers to save the lives of soldiers with infections, particularly gangrene. It has since been found to have a multiplicity of uses, which, at first glance, seems unrelated and with no apparent biochemical explanation.
In terms of fungicide use, it is noted that one anti-fungal agent in common use (nystatin) - with prolonged usage - leads to the development of resistance to the drug and continued symptoms. The mechanism of action of Dioxychlor is related to biochemical processes within the fungus, which are so basic to survival that resistance is important: as a result no new resistant strains develop from the use of Dioxychlor, unlike other fungicides.
Dioxychlor is an inorganic compound composed of chlorine and two atoms of nascent oxygen covalently bonded. It is the chemical property of Dioxychlor, which makes possible the release of nascent oxygen upon decomposition during its action as an oxidizing agent, leaving a non-toxic chloride residue.
Certain a spects of the cellular immune system (specific white blood cells), utilize other mechanisms in the generation of highly reactive oxygen derivatives for the purpose of combating the invasion of foreign organisms. Without these protective mechanisms provided by the immune system involving oxygen derivatives, the ability to fight environmental chemicals as well as infection is blocked.
The immune system of many persons, particularly the elderly, is deficient in the ability to provide these highly reactive oxygen
derivative necessary for attacking the great variety of viral, fungal and bacterial invaders that are continually bombarding the human body. Those who are improperly equipped for fighting these invaders become easy targets for the many diseases they produce with the accompanying and sometimes bizarre symptoms.
The use of Dioxychlor assists the natural protective mechanisms of the body in counteracting these infectious agents which, if not adequately neutralized, will most certainly lead to disease. Dioxychlor in pure form (anhydrous) is a liquid at 0 degrees C, having a deep red color. When mixed with water and at high dilution - it is colorless.
Bohr's atomic models indicate a "coordinate covalent" bond between the elements of Dioxychlor. This type of bond represents the sharing of a pair of electrons between two atoms as in the "covalent" bond, but in this bond both electrons are contributed by the atoms (chlorine) and none by the other. In the covalent bond one electron is contributed by each of the=2 0atoms forming the bond.
When Dioxychlor reacts as an oxidizing agent the oxygen atom first binds to a single atom (the one being oxidized) and then is dissociated from chlorine. An electron is then given up to chlorine forming the chloride ion. When one realizes that there are 5.3 g of chlorine ion liter of human plasma it becomes obvious that the small amount of chloride generated through the use of Dioxychlor is negligible.
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Other Cytotoxic Oxidizing Agents Used Clinically
Dioxychlor is not the only oxidizing agent in clinical use. Another agent also providing active oxygen is Hydrogen Peroxide, which has been used in the treatment of arthritis, cancer and other metabolic diseases. Hydrogen Peroxide is commercially available in low concentrations for the treatment of topical microbial infections.
Ozone is being used both in Europe and at the American Biologics Hospital in Mexico to treat various diseases including cancer, blood coagulation disorders and liver diseases, among others. It is a developing precept of oxidology that the success of oxidative therapies depends on the type used, the concentration of the oxidant and the target of use. For example, Hydrogen Peroxide may be used effectively as an anti-viral sterilizing agent orally and topically, but if used intravenously, great caution should be exercised. This is because, among other things, cancer cells produce prodigious quantities of Hydrogen Peroxide and the IV administration of this substance may induce cancer to proliferate. This is not true, for example, of either Ozone or Dioxychlor.
Ozone is a powerful oxidant, which can be used effectively at the right concentration, time and place - for example, as an international therapy in cancer or the ozonation of blood to oxidize it and destroy potentially harmful viruses. But any administrative route which increases oxidative processes in the lung is injurious and should be handled with great care; hence the caveat on intravenous ozone administration.
Dioxychlor is currently used as a topical gel ("C2" - complexed with carbomers), or as homeopathic drops (C3"), or as a cryogenically purified intravenous infusion material ("C4").
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Cytotoxicity of Dioxychlor
Proof that Dioxychlor is cytotoxic to bacteria, fungus and virus clinically is shown by data indicating its effectiveness as a disinfectant (outside the body).
Dioxychlor has been found to inactivate the organism causing Legionnaire's Disease (Legionella pneumophila). The chemically related compound sodium periodate (NaIO) inhibited the virulence, decreased the respiration of and increased the sensitivity to phagocytosis of the common pathogen Listeria monocytogenes.
A germicidal solution has been developed containing Dioxychlor at an acid ph (lactic acid). The solution gave complete kill of Staphylococcus Aureus, Pseudomanas, and Candida Albicans spores within 10 minutes. If used in an ultrasoun d cleaning device complete killing is less than 5 minutes.
The bacterial virus f2 was rapidly inactivated with Dioxychlor. At ph 5-9 only GMP (guanosine monophosphate) reached while the amino acids cystine, trytophan and tyrosine reached rapidly.
Dioxychlor applied to poliovirus seperated the RNA from the protein coat (capsid). Dioxychlor reached with the capsid protein and prevented the absorption, penetration and normal uncoating of the virus. It also reached with the viral RNA and impaired the ability of the nucleic acid to act as a template for replication.
https://momentum98.com/dioxychlor.html
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While Jim Humble is "revising" his web sites in a "knee jerk" reaction to some actions of the FDA, I thought it would be interesting to take a look at his claims for MMS.
It is my hope that he will finally include some "substance" to back up his claims, or that he will acknowledge that MMS may help in some cases, but it is no "Miracle."
"3. Excerpts from the research paper "War against Microbes" written by the Bradford Research Institute."
Finally, some proof that MMS works. Dioxychlor has been used in clinical trials for many years and seems to have had some success.
Jim Humble states that MMS is the same20as Dioxychlor, but it is a little stronger. Dioxychlor is 2.5% sodium chlorite. MMS is 22.4% sodium chlorite, so yes it is stronger.
Studying the information on Dioxychlor I find that a typical oral dose is 5-10 drops in 3 ounces of water, UNACTIVATED. As I look further, almost all of the use of Dioxychlor involves no activation. I did find that they were looking at disinfecting counter tops using an activated solution, but nothing ingested is activated.
The idea is that pathogens inside the body are acidic. When the sodium chlorite comes in contact with these pathogens, it becomes activated and kills the pathogen. This same process has also been studied when giving cows sodium chlorate prior to butchering to reduce the amount of bad bacteria in the stomach that can spread to the meat during processing.
This could be where Jim Humble picked up the false idea the chlorine dioxide was selective. Sodium chlorite may be selective, but ClO2 kills all the bacteria it comes into contact with - good and bad - acidic and alkaline - gram positive and gram negative.
WF-10 is another product that has been researched and is in the final stages of clinical trials. It involves dilute, unactivated, sodium chlorite solutions with a few extra things added in to make it more effective.
Let's review the concentrations involved. Dioxychlor involves 10 drops of a 2.5% sodium chlorite solution in 3 ounces of water, and this solution is una ctivated. This gives a concentration of available chlorine dioxide of about 80 PPM. Since the activation is done by the acids in the mouth, only trace amounts of ClO2 are released as free ClO2.
In contrast, a 15 drop dose of MMS mixed according to the MMS protocol has a concentration of available chlorine dioxide of about 950 PPM with just under 100 PPM released as free chlorine dioxide.
The research and clinical trials done with Dioxychlor are not a good comparison with MMS because the concentrations involved with MMS are so much higher. The one comparison we can make is that both products involve sodium chlorite solutions...
Tom
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Edited by Steve (07/11/09 02:34 AM)
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#4532 - 07/11/09 10:13 AM
Re: I am new here with MULTIPLE diagnosis. Need some friends
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mobbster
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Registered: 06/05/09
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hi cwatts,
I'm having the same problems, me, my mother, brother and sister and now a possibility of her new 2 year old kid and a friend having lyme,
for years we all were getting problems with our health, all very similar and all mis-diagnosis but to be fair (upto a point) the doctor never knew about the bite we all got many many years ago.
my health was up and down, over past 8 years its all been downhill. my mother has been affected mostly physically and to a degree mentally shes on various tablets for the typical conditions as yourself as yourself, my brother and sister has cronic fatigue, skin conditions, speech problems but to a degree get by (and that is it, just getting by), I thought i was generally ok til about 8year ago till i got a co-infection hsv thought nothing of it for years got more ill fevers, tiredness,back ache, neck ache, twiches slowly over the years got worse and worse. started getting heart problems,this seemed to ease up (well the pains did, the weird positional noises it made didn't, then started getting swollowing difficulties and neck problems and tongue swellings, this then seemed to ease up for again no apparent reason Packed in work about a year ago, from this christmas starting getting very ill, got bitten by a flea bite, then started fevering again like a few year ago,and getting very, very ill, couldn't eat, seriously felt ill everyone commenting on ill i looked, and believe i felt as crap
over past year or so started getting pains, tingling down arms legs, and on the head, i was on strong pain killers, tablets that would have masked the nerve problems, that i was taking for another problem, I went on net, because everything seen to hit hard after this flea bite, that when lyme came onto the issue, got friends and family to fill the medical symptoms list that i had complained about, my mum andd sister said sounds like we've been bitten and thats when it came out about us all getting bitten and scarred by this bite years and years ago, and all our problems identically matched each other from this point, as we looked further into it all the misdiagnosis and constant ill health that we all had, I then spoke to my friend who remembered the same event(he had arthritis,then ocd, then scicho frenio(same spell that), i went though evrything with him and he had the same problems, but it hit him hard, very hard, in the body and mind) he's on that much medication now, its hard to talk to him because of the phychological problems, so i spoke to his mother and she agreed all the material i showed he had, but its so easy to blame other things,
anyway i ended up on doxycycline for a infection, but went yellow after 3 days so came off them, felt brilliant like i'd not felt in years, I could think stright, my hearing loss came back, my skin felt nice,jaw stopped shaking, felt warm, too many things changed back, i hadn't realsied how ill i'd become until i'd got better, over next few weeks infection came back and so did most of the problems, this is when i started getting not just the burning in the arms, etc but across my head, started getting unusual emotional reactions crying, happy, at wrong times, angry and anxiety attacks, had another hsv flare up but this time it was bad i had it on my back, arms and nether region, so got diognosed with hsv, perfect went on acicovir and as i went on the course they sent me weird,(i understand why they say people with nerve damage should be careful on them) started hearing,seeing,feeling things that wern't there, slowly this went and as i completed the course, felt brilliant like i'd not felt in years( my mother had same problem with anti-virals as i do)no thick head, speech perfect, I was back to my old self a self i'd not seen in many many many years, everyone was commenting on how well i looked,talked,conducted myself, my optimistic self came back, 2 week after coming off them, started fevering, aching, anxiety( I don't know if this was because i was worried what was coming back, or if i'd end up like my old mate, and i'd end up with no=one to fight my corner for me, my bro, mum and sister all got blisters on various partes of body but would'nt go to get checked(each saying they were all right knowing very well they wern't) when each of them went on anti-biotics they all went very well for a while then returned to illness, you almost get used to being ill, its only when it gets progressly worse do you start to ask the doctor whats what,
we are all getting pyschological problems, but whilst i'm on acicovir i'm brilliant, but having problems with doctors now, I'll tell you in next message, if i'm still on tablets and well( please god)
yes so i would like someone to talk to about this and your own journey, see if we could help each other,
thanks,
speak soon,
martinhobbs@live.com martinhobbs@live.com
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#4580 - 08/12/09 07:24 AM
Re: I am new here with MULTIPLE diagnosis. Need some friends
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kkermit
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Registered: 08/12/09
Posts: 2
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please knoe that i do understand ehat you are going though. i was dig. with lyme in may but had the dig. of fibromyalgia for 6 yrs. i am up until i just cant stay awake and the pain is EVERYWHERE! my head hurts all the time and i can think to well or remember things. i am looking for answers too and maybe if we all work together we can find them.
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#4601 - 08/20/09 10:56 AM
Re: I am new here with MULTIPLE diagnosis. Need some friends
[Re: cwatts1968]
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jambo
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Registered: 08/18/09
Posts: 3
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cwatts,
please know that you are not alone. I completely relate with your life. Most people don't want sympathy but it's really difficult when most of your family can't understand what you're going through. I'm stage 3 with varying levels of non-stop neuro-pain, major loss of cognitive abailities (I have not worked for 13 months), well... and other stuff. I'm currently taking 4 diff antibiotics at the same time and, honestly, feel so bad that I think I'm dying. I can only stand for a few seconds without feeling faint. And the meds are causing herx pain that is becoming maddening.
I'm new to this forum and hope that we can all help each other in some small way. I'm fortunate that I have a very supportive Wife but I worry that the stress will eventually ruin her health.
Keep the faith.
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#4618 - 09/01/09 10:07 PM
Re: I am new here with MULTIPLE diagnosis. Need some friends
[Re: cwatts1968]
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ChristineAbbott
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Registered: 09/01/09
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I understand what your going through. I have had lyme since 2003 and was misdiagnosed when I showed symtoms of Bells palsy for no reason. The ENT never had me tested for lyme, nor did the primary physian. I finally was diagnosed in 2006 when I showed symtoms of bilateral facial palsy. My Lyme titer was also at the high end, and when the neurologist called on a Friday night at 7pm telling me I needed to go the hospital immediately, I knew something was terribly wrong. I was sick for so long with different symptons and no one knew what to do.
Since I am very allergic to most antibiotics, the course hasn't worked for me. I have been using my own alternative method to treat myself.
My diagnosis is neurological lyme. The majority of my pain is my joints, my hips being the worse, and I can go from perfectly fine to dibilating pain. Insominia is also one of my worst side affects.
Please know that you are not alone in your fight for this disease.
Christine
Illinois
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