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#3455 - 05/10/08 02:27 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: steely]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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Hi Steely, I think the MMS kills all and any of the co-infections associated with Lyme disease. Of course this is all just my opinion. I still think MMS will be a big factor in ending LD and its co-infections. It may take a year or more, But I still think MMS is going to be a big help.
But, detoxing Mercury Poisoning and other heavy metals and poisons that are probably in our bodies. Maybe a big part of this whole fight with Lyme Disease. I'm detoxing thoughs things now with HMD which is "Coriander Tincture" and with some other stuff and "Chlorella" and "MMS" to take the heavy heavy metals out of the body.
In reading "Andrew Hall Cutlers" book "Amalgam Illness" and listening to the people on YouTube.com talk about their symptoms from Mercury poisoning, there pretty much identical to the symptoms we all suffer with Lyme Disease. So Listening to Bryan Rosner on detoxing mercury, I'm going after that detoxing aggressively. As I said it in a above post, I had all my Amalgam mercury fillings removed, before I started this type of aggressive detoxing of heavy metals. I will be using "DMSA" in conjunction with "Alpha Lipoic Acid" to hopefully pull out all the mercury that maybe in my body organs and central nerves system....Theres a guy on YouTube.com that talks about detoxing mercury, His name is "Jeff Butterworth", Check it out, I really like what Jeff has to say about detoxing....
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#3470 - 05/12/08 10:19 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: steely]
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ahmet
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Registered: 03/23/08
Posts: 36
Loc: turkey
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Steve, your situation is really complicated. I am sorry about your feeling sick most of the time. But you were really hopefull about MMS in your previous comments, you were writing the improvement that MMS done on you and you encouraged us. Can not the stuff you used for mercury poisoning help you? I have been using MMS intermittently. ( I take a break when herx gets really worse.) There is an improvement of 30% of brain fog. But I think, I will get my absolute idea about MMS after 4 months’ use. I also do not think MMS is effective for everyone. For some antibiotic, for others rife machine, and for the rest herbal stuff is effective. But there are really one on whom MMS is effective. I think I am in that group who heals with MMS. Bryan Rossner may be right. But there is not any case yet who has used MMS for long term and benefits from it and then this effect vanishes. ( as it has just been used for the treatment of Lyme.)
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#3474 - 05/13/08 03:53 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: ahmet]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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ahmet, I have had a-lot of improvemet using MMS and Rife. I think I've been using MMS for about 5 months now. I been struggling with Lyme since 1984, along time now. My thinking is it may take a year or longer maybe two years to see something I can call A cure. Maybe. I've lived with this (LD) along time now. I know so many of us have the same story here. In a e-mail from Bryan in another post here, I talked about Rifing for two plus years and was still pretty sick most the time. And in thoughs two and half years, I had herx's where I thought I was going to die. I didn't go to ER because, What would I tell them..? They probably would have put me away in the kookoo's nest...? As of now I probably about 75% better then I was 2 years ago. Anyway Bryan said I could Rife forever if I still had my mercury filling and had mercury poisoning, I would never get any better, So I'm aggresively going after the mercury by detox. With many other detoxing protocols that will get the mercury out. Thats going to take maybe a year or so. And MMS will play a roll in that to. So, "Its going to take time" ... We'll see what happens. Its the only game in town. And we will beat this thing. I really do believe that. Its slow going. But I'll know when I make that breakthrough. So hang in there everyone. And, Keep treating. ......Steve
Edited by Steve (05/14/08 03:19 PM)
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#3637 - 06/17/08 04:39 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: BruceMac]
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Andrew
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Registered: 06/17/08
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Hi Guys,
I do not have Lyme's disease but my best friend 'had' it several years ago. He underwent Ozone treatments every day during one summer under a strict diet and a strict protocol in a clinic in South Fl, my sister, mom and myself have started on MMS for our own reasons and I came across this discussion and did not see anyone mention the Ozone protocol. After the 3 months of treatment he did not have any recognizable traces of the Lyme's in his body and he has not had a reoccurance since (this was 8 or 9 years ago so I'm not sure if the clinic is still around). I will track down the treatment Protocol he undertook and would be more than happy to post it for the forum once I find it. I am not a doctor, nor do I give medical recommendations but I figure if I can ease some of your suffering, I am more than happy to help. Good luck!
Andrew
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#3727 - 07/01/08 09:59 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Andrew]
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Andrew
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Registered: 06/17/08
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Ok got it. Listed below is the Ozone protocol my best friend followed several years ago that healed him of his Lyme's Disease. He has not any relapses since, the entire process took about 3 months I'd say. I am not a Doctor nor do I pretend to be one. I also found the directions and phone number for the office my friend went to in South Florida. Please shoot me a message if you would like this info. Best of luck. I have listed it below as I received it.
IV Infusion
1. Ozone therapy - 2 times a day for 15 days
10cc @32 mcg
25cc @32 mcg
40cc @32 mcg
60cc @32 mcg
10cc @40 mcg
20cc @40 mcg
30cc @40 mcg
45cc @40 mcg
60cc @40 mcg
10cc @60 mcg
20cc @60 mcg
30cc @60 mcg
40cc @60 mcg
50cc @60 mcg
60cc @60 mcg
2. 2 week break
3. Vitamin C drop - with 10cc Glutathione
150,000mg Aqueous Vitamin A,
Twice a week Selenium
week 1: 25,000 mg - 110
week 2: 50,000 mg - 125 3 week
week 3: 75,000 mg - 140
week 4: 100,000 mg - 155
week 5: 125,000 mg - 170
week 6: 140,000 mg - 185
week 7: 150,000 mg - 185
week 8: 200,000 mg - 215
(**Note - I do not know what the numbers next to the dashes mean, they were hand written and underlined by the nurse that gave him this protocol printout, likewise I do not know what is meant by 3 week as it was also hand written in and underlined somewhat in between week 1 and week 2**)
4. Wait 3 weeks than retest
Supplements/Herb's to take during the protocol
Arabinogalactin (polysaccharide from larch tree) 3 TBS/day
Glutamine 5-10g/day
Garlic 1,000mg 2x/day
Aloe 3 oz 3x/day
St John's Wort Extract 2 tsp. 3x/day
Evening Primrose Oil 1000mg/day
Turmeric capsules 2x/day
Echinacea Extract 200mg/day
Propolis 1,000mg 2x/day
Pycnogenol 200mg/day
Quercetin and bioflavanoids 3,000mg/day
Juices (with 1 oz. aloe each juice):
2 Green Juices/day
3 Juices of lemon, lime, orange or watermelon
1 grape juice (not white grapes) with seeds
(**Note: This is word for word as I received it. I looked up the phone number and address for the clinic in Boca Raton and it is still there and running. I do not advise anyone take this protocol as I am not a doctor nor do I know what the half the stuff on that list is. All I know is that this healed my best friend of his advanced stage Lyme disease several years ago and it has not come back since.**)
Best of Luck!
Andrew
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#3815 - 07/25/08 03:08 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Andrew]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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Steve here, Still treating with MMS and RIFE MACHINES and doing MERCURY DETOX ......I am getting better but still very slowly.....I've stop all treating for a few weeks just to see what I would feel like and today I got a-lot of sun, some sun burn, and got much sicker as always after getting to much sun.....For all of you with lymes you probably know what I'm talking about.....To much sun or a big change in the seasons can make the lymes get much worse.......So I'll start back again treating with RIFE, MMS, and MERCURY DETOXING.....I was going to say I'm about 75% better.....But today with the sun-burn, Not a real bad burn, just to much sun, I'm back to being pretty sick, Lyme sick....? Yes it sucks.....its 7/25/07
Edited by Steve (07/25/08 03:22 PM)
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#3884 - 08/28/08 02:38 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Steve]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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if I stop all treatments, Rife, MMS, Detoxing.....Its not long before I start to fell pretty sick again...I've been Rifing for 3 years now, and I am much improved. But I still have the head thing, pressure, ringing in the ears, But the burning is almost 100% gone....I'm starting back now with all the above treatments aggressively for the next 3 to 6 months...thats with Detoxing for any Mercury poisoning that I probably do have ..? The MMS dose help a-lot.....I know the MMS helped clean out all the liver and heart pain I was having for so many, many years before MMS....MMS was and is a great help for my Lyme treating.
Edited by Steve (03/16/09 02:52 PM)
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#3897 - 09/02/08 04:24 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Steve]
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Jeani
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Registered: 06/28/08
Posts: 21
Loc: Central Valley, CA
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Steve,
stay out of the sun! Brian talks about this in his book. In fact as part of the Marshall Protocol you must eliminate sun light all together to eliminate vitamin D.
I am just now, after six months able to get out of bed and venture out a little bit every other day. But when I do, even well covered, I get a lot of fatigue and other symptoms as well as severe light sensitivity in my eyes.
Take care and don't burn,
Jeani
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#3898 - 09/02/08 04:36 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Jeani]
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Jeani
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Registered: 06/28/08
Posts: 21
Loc: Central Valley, CA
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Hi Steve,
You started this thread by saying that you were going to try MMS and DMSO.
I haven't seen any one speak of DMSO.
I had to Google it to find out what it is.
It seems to be a topical anti-inflammatory. Might be good for my arthritis.
How is this used with MMS?
What does it do for Lyme?
Thanks,
Jeani
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#3907 - 09/05/08 02:38 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Jeani]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
Posts: 112
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I stopped using DMSO internally, There's some evidence that it might not be so good for the liver, kidneys, etc. But there are many, many people that use it as you said, externally, With some very impressive results....? I only used DMSO for a very short time....And probably will not us it internally again.....But I would us it externally...
Edited by Steve (09/11/08 02:55 AM)
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#4000 - 10/25/08 07:34 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Steve]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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I'm still using MMS about 15 drops at bed time, about every night. And on days off from work I do 15 to maybe 20 drops three times a day for the week end, Saturday and Sunday. And Rifing once or twice a week. My Rifing time is about 2 hours now. I've been Rifing for about three years and MMS about 6 months now. Still sick most the time. And still herxing from Rifing some-times still some pretty big herx's. But I am alot better then I was with just Rifing. The MMS dose seem to help. Jim Humble says in his Book, "BreakThrough" That it may take about two years to kill off all the Lyme...? "That remains to be seen". In the mean time theirs many other treatment protocals comming and going on. This is just a-little up date from, Steve.
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#4048 - 11/27/08 01:54 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Steve]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
Posts: 112
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Added MINOCIN to the treatment with all of the above.....Its now Dec.6th.2008 I posted this Minocin late November here last month....As of now the herxing is very intense on the Minocin use, "Name Band Only" (the generic will not work near as well)
The herxing is different from Rife and the herx with MMS. I'm still using Rife and MMS also. See my post on Minocin for more info. I'm really surprised at how intense the herxing is on Minocin. That a good thing.
Edited by Steve (12/07/08 01:36 PM)
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#4307 - 03/08/09 02:48 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: bruce]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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I seem to be getting better and better using DMSO mixed with MMS. ("I'm not telling anyone to try this", "or I'm not suggesting anyone do this or try mixing MMS and DMSO").. its just something I'm trying..... I started with 2 drops of MMS and 8 drops of the activator.....Letting it activate 3 minutes....Then I mix 1/4 teaspoon of DMSO and a 1/8 teaspoon of distilled water..about a 70/30 mix.....70% DMSO, 30% Distilled Water..then I mix the activated MMS with the DMSO/Distilled water and put it on my hands and forearms.....Then I'm working up to higher does's..and putting on the mix on different parts of the body....Its seems to be working ......I am getting better....Faster then anything else I've tried....I use the DMSO/MMS mix every 4 or 5 days a-part, stopping use every 4 or 5 days, pulsing it....I could not use it every day.....I'd get way to sick/herx....Very sick to big a herx!......Get and read the book by Dr. Morton Walker "DMSO NATURE'S HEALER" The book is a TEN+ See Jim Humble's and his "MMS", and things about DMSO on YouTube.com...! (I don't use any DMSO/MMS mix orally) (But I'm still using just the MMS, maybe 10 to 15 drops of MMS/activated, orally every day or every other day with breaks of taking days off of no MMS orally, pulsing it)....Also read Dr. Stanley W. Jacob's book on MSM "THE MIRACLE OF MSM" this is not the samething as MMS, two different things.......MSM is made from DMSO......I also use MSM short for,(Methylsulfonylmethane)....say that three times fast....?
Edited by Steve (03/28/09 11:38 AM)
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#4453 - 05/15/09 03:20 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Steve]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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I stopped treating with DMSO/MMS Mix for awhile, maybe herxing to much. Just getting to sick to keep treating with the mix. I've been sick now for about 2 or 3 weeks now, not real bad but different. I've had this sore throat now for about a week and a hafe, and just feeling pretty sick. I think its from the DMSO/MMS Mix, maybe..? Its not like a Flu or that kind of sick. Its more like a herx. So I thought I'd stop treating with the mix for a whlie. I was pulsing the DMSO/MMS Mix, but will stop until I feel better
Part of what I think may have happened is I got a pretty bad yeast infection from taking "MINOCIN" an ANTIBIOTIC that seems to have caused a pretty bad yeast infection in my throat. I'm trying to get that under control. I know that can make a person pretty sick in its self. I just can't seem to stop the sore throat and yeast. I'll post here again when I start to feel better.
Edited by Steve (07/12/09 03:19 PM)
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#4534 - 07/12/09 03:16 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Steve]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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Its now july 10th 2009 and I'm just now starting to feel better. The yeast infection is now under control. And the sore throat is pretty much gone. Man what a long fight that was. I think the DMSO & MMS Mix burned my throat and the yeast came from using the Antibiotic, Minocin. I still have some lyme symptoms, but I'm feeling better. I will never take any DMSO & MMS orally ever again. Man that was a tough thing to get through. I'm hoping that's the end of that battle.
Edited by Steve (07/12/09 03:17 PM)
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#4536 - 07/17/09 03:43 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Steve]
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Shel
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Registered: 07/17/09
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Hi Steve,
are you now symptoms free after using mms? How long did you take it for and what dose did you use - I assume you had lyme and co-infections?
thanks,
Michelle
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#4632 - 09/13/09 02:27 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Shel]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
Posts: 112
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Steve here, I'm still using MMS orally, I think its helped a great deal. I take about 8 to 10 drops of MMS and maybe 2 to for drops of the activator ( citric acid ) I do not wait the three minutes for it (The MMS) to activate, I mix the 8 drops MMS and the two drops of activator mix it for about 10 to 20 seconds in a 4oz tro 5oz glass of "Distilled Water" and then drink it. There's no feeling sick after I drink it, and I still think the MMS is helping me get better and better. The MMS will activate more from the acids or "germs" in my body.... I still Rife and use Colloidal Silver. And I'll start using DMSO again soon mixed with MMS "Unactivated MMS" to see what happens.... "I will not use DMSO and Activated MMS", its just to hard on me. For some unknown reason that mix of activated MMS and DMSO gave me a pretty bad sort throat and made me just to sick, "could be a bad hex"...I don't know...? as I talked about in a above post. I'll post as soon as I try the DMSO and the "Unactivated MMS" to let you know what happens...Thats if I get a sore throat again from the mix.......?
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#4636 - 09/18/09 12:30 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: bruce]
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Evji108
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Registered: 09/17/09
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Most of these postings are fairly old - I am wondering if anyone has any updates on the results of long term MMS treatments. I am taking MMS for Lyme and the following is my experience:
I am living in Holland and my Doctor in Maastricht put me on MMS for Lyme. His name is Dr Von Montfort and he is a Lyme specialist. I have been taking it regularly for about three months now. He also prescribed Nattokinase and Vitamin K2-Mq 7 as well. The Nattokinase is to dissolve the fibrin casings that the Borrelia spirochetes coat themselves in, in order to hide from the immune system and from antibiotics etc. The vitamin K2 MQ7 is to remove the mineralization in the blood vessels casused by the Lyme bacteria. As for the MMS,he said to work up to 40 drops per day, but that was with the old protocol of 14 drops three times per day. I am trying to be as aggressive about treatment as possible. I am up to approximately 60 to 65 drops a day using Jim Humble's new protocol which suggests taking fewer drops at one time, but increasing the frequency, which allows for a greater total amount per day. Apparently the potent chlorine dioxide gas created from the mixture of citric acid and MMS, ony lasts for about one to two hours maximum. Here is what I am taking now in terms of drops every two hours. Starting at 8AM and ending at midnight, nine doses total and possibly one more if I get up in the night to pee. 3,4,5,,,6,7,8,,,8,9,10 Total 60 drops. I cannot tolerate more than 3 to start and can do 10 just before bed.
From the very beginning I have experienced steady progress, less pain in my legs, more energy and the continuous aching in my joints and in particular in my hips has decreased to the point where I do not notice it at all most days.The intense feelings of anxiety and a tendency to panic attacks have disappeared completely. My energy level is not up to normal, but now I am doing two brisk 30 minute walks per day, whereas before one would poop me out so bad I would have to sleep for an hour afterward . There were several bouts of intense diarrhea and one day of vomiting and diarrhea. The diarrhea has tapered off however and I only get it occasionally now and for a short period. In the beginning weeks I often felt a little nauseous and light headed and the sleepiness in the afternoon was intense and sometimes I would have to sleep for two or three hours. All the major symptoms of the MMS treatment like this have tapered off, but I still have days when I feel like crap - headachy, light headed, intensely drowsy, low energy. Maybe one or two days per week, and they cannot be predicted, but generally it is after increasing the dosage several drops.
I am encouraged greatly that this is working, because I am steadily getting better. However there is no way I could be doing the MMS every two hours and try to hold down a normal job. Right now I am working for myself and have cut back on new clients and can rest and take care of myself when I need to. The Doctor thinks it will be several more months and then he will run some tests to see if the Lyme is still there. He has developed his own series of blood and urine tests to determine if Lyme is present. I am not really enjoying this experience per se, the MMS is very powerful in its way and the effects are not painful, but subtly intensely uncomfortable at times. That said,I cannot imagine how uncomfortable and debilitating long-term antibiotic treatment would be. Please feel free to send me any questions if you are interested in this line of attack. I am quite pleased so far.
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#4640 - 10/06/09 03:47 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Evji108]
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Orient
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Registered: 10/06/09
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wondering how this MMS really works. Just about to order it and reading the topic. Please keep us posted. Just wondering if this is really so much stronger than antibiotics why does it take so long to kill like years? YOU can get rid of lyme on antibiotics quicker so MMS cant be stronger than them. Advantage would be of course the less side effects.
Anyway i think im getting on MMS and would be interested reading more about from you guys as well. I will pos here as well.
PS: i recently got a lot of dioxychlor infusions for lyme and chlamydia infection which is just as bad as lyme or even worse...
What do you think? How is it compared to MMS?
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#4664 - 11/06/09 03:18 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Orient]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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Hi from Steve, I have a new way to take MMS with out mixing in the "Activator" (citric acid) in the MMS. not mixing in a activator right away. Here's what I do...
What I do now is take the drops of MMS in a class of 3oz to 4oz of distilled water and mix just the MMS in just the distilled water (NO ACTIVATOR). And drink it. Then I make a 6oz to 8oz glass of Distilled water and fresh squeezed "strong" lemon juice (NO SUGAR).. I use about a half of a lemon to make the lemonade. So thats the ACTIVATOR or the source of activator for the MMS. Lemon juice is a very good activator for the MMS.
The MMS will slowly activate in my stomach. There's no strong nasty taste to the MMS. I can use as many drops of the MMS as I feel comfortable with.
Its a very easy way for me to take MMS, in fairly large drops, maybe 10 to 15 drops of MMS. some people might use more drops of MMS.
I'm not suggesting to anyone to take MMS in anyway or to treat any illness or for any other reason. I'm just explaining here what I'm trying.
As I said in a earlier post here, I mix unactivated MMS with very pure DMSO and put the mix on the outside of my body only. "I make sure to cut the DMSO to about 70% DMSO and then about 30% Distilled water", Then I mix in some drops of UNACTIVATED MMS". I leave the mix of MMS/DMSO on the outsde of my body for about 15 to 20 minutes. Then I take a hot shower to remove the MMS/DMSO mix off my body.
MMS, DMSO, Rife, is working well for me. I'm now 80% to 90% better. I'm now almost completely well now.
The MMS and the DMSO/MMS mix has made the biggest helping differents for me in getting better.
Edited by Steve (11/15/09 10:53 AM)
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