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#2859 - 01/16/08 03:35 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
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julsmonkey
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Hi I am new and am trying to figure out what HERX.... means.
Can you help me? thanks
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#2860 - 01/16/08 05:24 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
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SaltySue
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A herx is a reaction that is caused by a mass die off of the critters that inhabit us. Symptoms of a herx generally include an increase in old symptoms plus often new ones such as a queasy feeling. Typically a herx lasts about 26 - 28 hours but some have had a herx last for months. This has a lot to do with how well your body can process the toxins and what you do to help it.
There are many ways to detox and a search about this subject can be helpful but in short one should drink lots of fluids, particularly water. Espom salt baths help as do mild exercise, infra red saunas and milk thistle.
I hope this helps and makes sense to you.
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#2861 - 01/16/08 05:27 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
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SaltySue
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If you go to this link and read you will understand better about what MMS is. As for where to get it there are several folks selling it. http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/no-miracle-just-wonderful-chemistry/
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#2862 - 01/16/08 02:40 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: SaltySue]
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BetterHealthGuy
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I have been using MMS for about a month. Stopped for a few days after I was tired of the nausea and Big "D". I am up to 15 drops a day. Yesterday, I had significant vomiting after taking it. I do think it is doing something though not entirely comfortable yet about long-term safety.
Questions:
1) How do people stomach the taste/smell? I am having a hard time with it. Doing filtered water, 15 MMS, 75 drops citric acid. Will try prune juice next.
2) How long did Big "D" last after starting? It has not subsided for me.
3) What dosing schedule are most people doing here?
4) Do people think this controls/lowers load of Lyme coinfections or erradicates them entirely?
Thanks,
Scott / http://www.BetterHealthGuy.com
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#2864 - 01/16/08 04:36 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: BetterHealthGuy]
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SaltySue
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Registered: 11/11/06
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1. I find in the lower doses it is easier to drink and to stomach. I did 10 drops tonight mixed in several cups of water and it was okay. I think the more often you drink it the easier it gets. Be careful about diluting it enough as one time I actually burned my mouth.
2. What is a big D?
3. Personally I have been taking one dose in the evening but I am beginning to think several smaller doses through out the day is better for lyme.
4. I feel that it is eradicating the critters completely. Unfortunately I do not think it touches the cysts just the active critters.
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#2880 - 01/19/08 04:07 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: SaltySue]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
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Hi ...Steve here...I continue to improve weekly...I started using this type of treatment protocol using the MMS....I work up to this....!
1. At about 8:00 or 9:00pm I take a pretty large dose of about 15 to18 drops of MMS. Then about 3 hours later say at about 12:pm, I take another 18 drop dose, Thats 18 drops of MMS and about a teaspoon or a-little more of the activator, citric acid....wait the 3 minutes
Then I mix that big/dose in about 3.oz or 4.oz of a fruit drink....With NO vitamin C in the fruit drink....Now agin, I worked up to this high a dose......?
Now let me tell you....it has some kick at that high a dose.....some times I think I can smell it comming out of my skin...? I am going to go to 20 drops soon..twice a day..?
2. The next morning I start drinking lots and lots of water and take about 1000m of Vitamin C.....And after a lunch 12:am I start taking more V/C 1000m and through out the the day, I take a Multi Vitamin and a Multi mineral and then more, V/C 1000m....
3. Stop all Vitamins before or at dinner time, Then start the whole protocol over again.....I'll keep this up for, I think "one Month" then take "one week off" maybe less time off....I'm not sure yet...?
4. But I can tell you this " Its a very intense treatment protocol for me....But, I'm a pretty aggressive person anyway...And I will do what needs to be done, to be rid of lyme.
Jim Humble say's hit it hard....So thats what I'm going to do....
Once I really think I've got the lyme down for the count....I'll back the MMS/PROTOCOL down, down, down, to the point where I'm just using small dose's of MMS maybe 6 drops a-day or every other day as a premeditative measure....Thats the plan....If I get to that point of wellbeing.....This has been along road for all of us that have been dealing with Lyme disease for so many years....So we will see what happens...?...I really think we got this lyme/shit beat, with MMS.....maybe....?
Edited by Steve (01/19/08 04:09 PM)
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#2885 - 01/21/08 05:53 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: BetterHealthGuy]
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BruceMac
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Registered: 01/02/08
Posts: 13
Loc: Bay Area, California
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Hi Scott - In one part of his book, Jim Humble describes the kind of symptoms you're having as "normal," reactions to MMS that many people have, though many don't. He advocates avoiding the nausea if at all possible (so you don't stop taking MMS) by lowering the dose until you no longer get it. He maintains the nausea and diarrhea are caused by various pathogens being killed off, first in the gut, and that produces symptoms which can be managed somewhat by lowering the MMS dose. (See Part 2, P.11&12)
Today I increased my dose to 12 drops, 2 x daily. I've been using a 12 hours apart schedule, and taking several grams of C and other supps mid-day, although I think Steve's idea of taking two dosings close together waiting overnight, and then taking supplements including C, in the AM may be a better idea. So far I've had no nausea and only a few cases of very loose stool, and on those days I didn't increase my dose the next day. I just stayed parked at the dose until any symptoms went away. I've been diluting the activated MMS with either plain distilled water, about 4 oz, or the same amount of unfitered apple juice, which is a bit sweet but seems to really bury the flavor of the MMS.
The only concern I have about the protocol, which is related to why Steve's method of use has appeal, is described in one of the later chapters of Part 2, written by Dr. Thomas Hesselink, whom I believe runs a clinic in Tijuana, Mx. He writes "The concern is that too much or too frequent administration of oxidants (MMS in this case) could excessively deplete the body's reducdants and promote oxidative stress."
So far, it's unclear to me whether Jim Humble has used the protocol for extended periods of time as may be called for with LD, like many months or years.
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#2886 - 01/21/08 10:37 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: BetterHealthGuy]
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lymekev
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Registered: 01/21/08
Posts: 7
Loc: Virginia
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Scott,
Your Questions:
1) How do people stomach the taste/smell? I am having a hard time with it. Doing filtered water, 15 MMS, 75 drops citric acid. Will try prune juice next.
After the 3 minute wait is up, I use a dropper to put the MMS + citric acid solution into empty "00" capsules. And then I swallow these MMS filled capsules with water or juice. I usually drink about a glass or two of water or juice when I swallow the MMS capsules. Putting the MMS into empty capsules before swallowing helps me tremendously with the smell and taste of the MMS.
2) How long did Big "D" last after starting? It has not subsided for me.
Well, for me it depended upon the dosage. If you lower the number of drops that you are taking then the diarrhea will probably cease. I began with two drops of the MMS and just those two drops resulted in me having diarrhea for about a week.
3) What dosing schedule are most people doing here?
Well, I follow an MMS protocol that is similar to Dr. Thomas Hesselink's MMS dosing schedule.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lym...p;charset=UTF-8
Please go to the lyme topics yahoo group http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymetopics/
and just type in the these words: hesselink pulsing
There are a few posters on the Lyme topics yahoo group that use Dr. Hesselink's MMS protocol or a version of it.
Dr. Hesselink recommends that you take between 6 - 15 drops of the MMS every 2-3 days in one single dose. Dr. Hesselink believes that the MMS is more effective when it is pulsed rather than if the MMS is taken daily. So, I do not take the the MMS everyday. I only take the MMS about twice per week. And I do not take antioxidants on the day that I take the MMS. Dr. Hesselink recommends against taking DMSO with the MMS because the DMSO is a powerful antioxidant and therefore it will cancel out the oxidative effects of the MMS.
4) Do people think this controls/lowers load of Lyme coinfections or erradicates them entirely?
Well all that I can say is that the MMS is by far best thing that I have ever tried. And according to the information on the lyme topics yahoo group, Dr. Hesselink has said that in his experience, the MMS is better than antibiotics at treating Lyme Disease.
You can also go to the yahoo group miracle_mineral_supplement
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/miracle_mineral_supplement/?yguid=283834231
That yahoo group has several posters that are using the MMS to treat various health problems.
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#2909 - 01/22/08 03:27 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: bruce]
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aigle1314
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Registered: 10/18/07
Posts: 17
Loc: wisconsin
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Hey Steve,
I've been following your MMS trip with a lot of interest. I too have chronic Lyme and have a GB4000. But I feel I need to do more. So I ordered MMS and the book last week. I'm anxious to get going on it. I'm heading off to Florida for a month long Vacation in Feb and hope I will be able to do the MMS and not feel too lousy.( by the way, has anyone traveled with a rife machine?)
I haven't seen a post from you in the last few days and was wondering how you are doing? Hope all is well
Brenda
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#2914 - 01/23/08 02:46 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: aigle1314]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
Posts: 112
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Steve here....I feel I continue to improve weekly, using MMS .....I only hope to post here in the not to dintant future that I will be symptom free.....But not yet.....I still have some symptoms.....But have improved weekly, significantly... At 15 to 16 drop dose's I'm having no real herxing now, no nausea etc.... But at the high dose's 18/20, I was having some pain in my liver, But that was one of the herx's I had with rifing anyway, and with rifing I had a-lot of kidney/liver pain......Drink, I drink a-lot of water while rifing or using MMS.....At 18 to 20 drops the liver pain was worse, not real bad, but it was there, on and off sharp pain and a feeling of almost like something was percolating or bubbling in my liver....Then hours later, I would have a great discharge of bad stuff come out of me...."diarrhea"
So I cut the drops back....But I will soon blast it again with the 18 to 20 drop dose....And see what happens.....? but, I am getting better....The last remaining symptoms I'm dealing with right now are, 1. ringing in the ears, 2. slight burning in the head, (Which was the worst symptom I had, it was at one time debilitating, before rife) And 3. insomnia, These are the last 3 symptoms I'm working on, mainly using MMS and rife....I do take a Doctor's prescribed sleep aid......that helps me sleep....
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#2915 - 01/23/08 03:43 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Steve]
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aigle1314
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Registered: 10/18/07
Posts: 17
Loc: wisconsin
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Steve,
Man I could dido almost all of your symtoms. I've worked my way up to 7 minutes on the GB4000 lyme program. Did it yesterday and boy is my liver hurting today. I did a salt/c flush this morning and it helped some. I'll have to get the water thing going big time today. How long is a rife session for you and do you keep to the preprogramed chanels for the GB4000 or have you found any others that work for you?
One other question,
Do you think it would be dumb to start MMS while taking a month long vacation in Florida?
I'm getting out of Wisconsin to see if the warmer weather will help. But i"m also wanting to get going on getting better. I'll have a fair amount of company visiting while I'm there ( not MY idea) so I'm not sure if I should start or hold off for a month.
I'm so excited to hear about your progress, Steve. I'm sure a lot of us are pulling for your complete recovery. Here's to a new lease on life in 'o8.
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#2919 - 01/23/08 03:44 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: lymekev]
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Steve
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Registered: 02/11/07
Posts: 112
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Steve here, its such a roller coaster ride with Lyme Disease...Now tonight I'm back to being very sick. And it seems one really doesn't know if its a herx or just being sick with lyme or just being sick from the MMS detoxing, or all the above...I just keep treating, hoping for that true break in the roller coaster pattern we all know so well....I just did a big dose of MMS, 18 drops, its about 11:20pm ....I'll just try to sleep on it. As I said in an earlier post here ...At the end of this Month "End of January" I'll take a week or so off from MMS treatments and see where it go's.......? I took a 15 drop dose earlier today at about 11:am....This is all pretty much trial and error for all of us. Until one of us or I should say until some of us, make that BREAKTHROUGH.......? As "aigle1314" put it,
(To a new lease on life "08) (I can say this with certainty, MMS is doing something) its not like your standing still treating with MMS....Its mixing things up, Thats for-sure....? Well, goodnight all.....
"aigle1314".....Some of the Rife frequencies that were very intense with the GB4000 with the Amplifier, doing sweeps and convergent/sweeps were ( The bigest herx was 261Hz Conv/sweep to 265Hz For 30. minutes And 265Hz to 270Hz Also 21Hz to 27Hz and 301 to 306 and many more in Byan Rosner's book "LYME DISEASE & RIFE MACHINES" ....I got to the point where I could RIFE for hours, with no herxing. But remained sick, but 50% better...? I have the COIL/MACHINE and the HPMP, And a EMEM machine, All the machines did help and I'm still using them....Have you tried the GB4000 in the "AUDIO MODE" with out the Amlp. ..The Audio/Mode will not work using the Ampl. But the AUDIO/MODE can be very intense "MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE VOLUME TURN ALL THE WAY DOWN" if you don't it will really give you a "WALLOP" I think the AUDIO/MODE works very well for some people too....I have a post here that was about my rifing. It starts out saying "23 Months of rifing" I think its on page 3....?
Edited by Steve (01/25/08 02:09 PM)
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#2956 - 02/05/08 02:08 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: bruce]
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Jeff
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I've been on the MP for about 3 years, and it has knocked out my chronic nasty headaches and the brain fog (and some of the fatigue). The remaining symptoms clearly appear to be Lyme.
I started MMS about a week ago. Followed their protocol exactly. When I got to 9 drops I was feeling cruddy, and when I got to 11 drops, it knocked me on my butt. I had bad nausea and diarrhea all weekend. I had to quit entirely for 48 hours, and start over at a low dose.
A friend of mine (diagnosed with Lyme) did MMS, and tried to push to 15 drops quickly. Her 3rd day she spent vomiting, and had to back off. She is now at 6 drops twice daily, and tolerating OK.
On the MP, I had to back off on my desire to move up the dose quickly. It is frustrating for us when we want to get better right now, but the payoff from the MP gave me back my life, so it was worth the wait. I am cautiously optomistic that MMS will be similar.
-Jeff
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#2957 - 02/05/08 05:51 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
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KJB
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DMSO is a little hard on the liver, so you might want to be a little careful... kenny
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#2960 - 02/06/08 08:50 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
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BruceMac
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Registered: 01/02/08
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Loc: Bay Area, California
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It's been a while since I've posted, but want to share recent experience with MMS. I titrated up from 2 drops 2x daily to 15, 2x daily and have not experienced any nausea or significant bowel problems. I went a few days at 15 drops (2x) and began to experience severe discomfort in my knees, along with fatigue that kept me horizontal for much of a few days, along with real mush brain and general disorientation, similar to the neurological Lyme symptoms I've had before starting treatment (Tx). The fatigue and accompanying depression caused me to stop the MMS for several days, until the herxing quieted down, with the help of epsom salts baths everyday, and epsom salts enemas 1 or 2 x weekly. They both seem to help.
Stopping MMS greatly reduced Herxing, although I'm in the middle of one month of two ABX, Rifampin 300 mg 2x daily, and Minocycline 100 mg 2x daily. I still have fatigue and knee pain but they're tolerable, and I've not had the "stay in bed" experience I was having when I was loading up on MMS.
So I'm experimenting with dosing of MMS and am going to try a single 15 drop dose every other day (empty stomach, away from supplement intake) and follow the Herx and adjust accordingly. On the days when I don't take MMS, I load up on my usual anti-oxidants. From the posts I've seen on Yahoo, this is essentially what Dr. Hesselink is using, and for the present I'm valuing his clnical experience.
OBTW, after having liver enzyme values (ALT/AST) much higher than 'normal' resulting from ABX and metal detox (very high mercury), I began using LiverLife from BioRay several months ago and it has been very effective in bringing down those values into the normal range, despite ABX, continuing metal chelation, and now, MMS. My Lyme doc wants ALT/AST every two weeks and in my last two tests they have remained in the normal range. LiverLife has been a great product for my chemistry.
I'll post again when I've learned more.
Edited by BruceMac (02/06/08 08:59 AM)
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#2963 - 02/11/08 05:25 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: bruce]
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Arrow
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Registered: 11/26/07
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Hi. No posts in a while so I am wondering how some of you MMS users are doing.
At http://www.HealthSalon.org there are a couple of lyme testimonials.
Some people are having a rough time with MMS but what seems to prove out is that if you keep with it you will get past the rough spots. If it were me I would not stop except to miss one dose if diarrhea or nausea overcomes you. Then significantly decrease your dosage. You want to keep a steady kill in progress as much as possible. It appears that nothing can gain resistance to MMS so if you do stop for some reason don't be too concerned. You can start again anytime.
MMS will stay in the system up to 12 hours. But the first 2 hours are the most active and therapeutic.
Be sure to keep your organs of elimination open, do kidney and gall bladder flushes.
Remember, some of you may have more than just lyme dying off. Lots of people that are not too unhealthy, and that do not have any specific disease have gone through dye off including major parasites and subclinical stuff.
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#2964 - 02/11/08 05:32 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
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Arrow
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Registered: 11/26/07
Posts: 31
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BruceMac
I just can't help but wonder if your detoxes with MMS are related somehow to your use of antibiotics. Antibiotics are very toxic and they do strain the organs of elimination.
If you come to a breaking point in your antibiotic use perhaps you could see what MMS does all on its own for you.
Also rather than such large dosages how about 5 or 6 drops 3 times a day. Some people have done very well with lyme without going to the high dosage of 15 in one shot.
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#2967 - 02/12/08 08:38 AM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
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aigle1314
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Registered: 10/18/07
Posts: 17
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Hey Steve and all the rest of you, Aigle here (AKA Brenda).
I've finally gotton myself to Florida, a Much Better climate than Wisconsin, at this time of year and I really am feeling much better. Don't know that I can give the warmth all the credit though.
Here's my update on MMS. With a very slow start I have worked my way up to 10 drops 2x day, once in Am upon rising and once at bedtime. I take other supplements during the day about two hours either side of taking the MMS. Today, at 10 drops I finally had the kind of stomach problems that will make me have to back down. I think that slow and steady is the key.
I do have a question for those of you out there also taking MMS. Do you take it on a full stomach (with food) or not. I thought that it was OK but when I talked to the guy answering phones at Global Light he said NO food. At nite when I take my MMS (usually with some food in my stomach) I don't ever get a reaction but in the AM on a completely empty stomach is when I feel it.
Oh, one more question, I know about no OJ because of its antioxidative properties but what about blueberries? Aren't they pretty high in antioxidents too? Just wondering since I've been chowing down on a lot of them.
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#2969 - 02/12/08 01:11 PM
Re: I'm trying MMS & DMSO for lyme treatment..?
[Re: Arrow]
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BruceMac
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Registered: 01/02/08
Posts: 13
Loc: Bay Area, California
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Arrow, thanks for your comments.
I have about two more weeks of the abx treatment and then plan an extended break, when I'll begin to experiment more with different dosing of MMS, and maybe acquiring a Rife device to use also.
Regarding MMS dosing, Humble suggests dosing several times throughout the day with smaller doses, and increasing each dosing if they aren't producing a constructive result. He does comment on increasing to 15 drops 3x daily, which I'd only consider if the Herx is tolerable.
My one concern which I've not seen expressly addressed is how much experience anyone has with long-term use of MMS. Most of Jim Humbles cures have been with malaria, requiring only short-term use. (I assume he's using on-going maintenance doses.) I only started in mid-January. Are there users who've been at it for months yet?
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